Line Mountain

[RatLabGuy]

Does naybody know when the Line Mountain guys post their schedule, or if it is up somewhere?
Their website
http://www.lm4w.org/index.htm
is still '09.

I'd liek to do te hruns this year but need to block off the dates ASAP.

[Happy Bear]

I believe the dates are updated, and actually reflect the 2010 schedule; they just did not change the graphic that says 2009. Also, the races are historically held on the same weekends every year, so the date just increases by 1 most years.

The events you are most likely interested in are the 3.5 Miler, Coal Bucket, and 7 miler.

[RatLabGuy]

The events you are most likely interested in are the 3.5 Miler, Coal Bucket, and 7 miler.

Good point about the actual dates, they do line up w/ the 2010 calendar.

Those are exactly what I'm targeting, I've been working torwards meeting their (fairly loose) tech requirements. Biggest issues for me are the cage and "no glass", so I'm wokring out my schedule to make sure I'm ready in time.

Do oyu think if I roll down the rear window into the liftgate, that will slip by, or will I have to remove it altogether? That's a huge PITA.

[Numidian]

Do you have another vehicle that you drive to work? I know you're always scrounging a tow rig and a trailer, but you keep racing that truck and it's going to get f'd up and I remember you drove that to Happick's house when we went to the Xmas party, but I wasn't sure if that was because of the snow or not LOL

[RatLabGuy]

Oh yeah, I have a Protege5 that's my DD. The 4Runner only gets about 4-5k miles a year tops... trips to the hardware store, shitty weather (Mazda has awefull "summer" tires), and summer when it's really nice out and I feel like being topless. Of and of course wheeling trips, I've actually never trailered it (next weekend will be the first time) but that will be changing a lot in the future.

[Happy Bear]

Do you have a co pilot for Line Mt. races?

[RatLabGuy]

Do you have a co pilot for Line Mt. races?

Not yet! :brow: :brow:

[Broncolou]

I am sure they would let the glass slide if it was stowed away inside the gate.

[RatLabGuy]

I am sure they would let the glass slide if it was stowed away inside the gate.

Well I just wonder b/c the rulebook specifically says "must be removed, cannot just be rolled down." So if the inspector is anal, it'd fail... I just don't know how these guys are.
I may just look into leaving it off, or fitting a truck gate in it's place. I just believe it's a PITA to get off, w/ it being wired+ weight of glass, motors in there etc

[Numidian]

Well I just wonder b/c the rulebook specifically says "must be removed, cannot just be rolled down." So if the inspector is anal, it'd fail... I just don't know how these guys are.
I may just look into leaving it off, or fitting a truck gate in it's place. I just believe it's a PITA to get off, w/ it being wired+ weight of glass, motors in there etc

Go to the junkyard, get a rear gate, break glass out of junkyard gate, install for race, swap back when you get home.

[Broncolou]

I have a buddy who is one of the inspectors. I can call him and ask.....

[RatLabGuy]

I have a buddy who is one of the inspectors. I can call him and ask.....

that would be awesome :brow:

[Kack]

Just take the gate all the way off. Put it back on when you're done

[Numidian]

Just take the gate all the way off. Put it back on when you're done

Not much support to the bedsides if he hits a tree w/out the gate...

[Broncolou]

He said... No problem. Just have it down and keep it down the whole time. You can put duct tape over the joint to be safe, he said.

[RatLabGuy]

Awesome! Thanks.

[Happy Bear]

He said... No problem. Just have it down and keep it down the whole time. You can put duct tape over the joint to be safe, he said.
Geeze, when I first wanted to race Line Mt I was checking out their tech and thinking it was going to take a good effort to pass. The more I hear about it I'm thinking if I pass RCROCS, WEROCK, and last years KOH tech I should be able to just show up and run what I brung. right?

[Broncolou]

They are wanting safe rigs to run. Blatant rule infractions will be dealt with accordingly. They do not want to turn racers away.......

[RatLabGuy]

He said... No problem. Just have it down and keep it down the whole time. You can put duct tape over the joint to be safe, he said.

Think that would go for the door windows as well?
I may just get tube doors, but right now I'd rather spend the $$ on usefull stuff like a cooler cage.

Is this race hard on rigs? A lot of DNFs? What's typical kinds of breakage?
From the videos (and low-sitting trucks) it dosn't look terribly technical.

There's an ECORS race the following weekend, I'm debating the practicality of even considering both.

[Broncolou]

It is not that hard. The hardest part is not going too fast. it is easy to get a false sense of security. It is easy to go fast and get crossed up. A lot of people hit trees. Single standard shocks wont cut it either. Dual shocks or a good aftermarket single will be much better. Good cooling and a solid race prep will get you 1/2 way there. The rest is on you running a good race and not overdriving and keeping the rig alive.....

[CrawfishStu]

Flat tires and wrapping it around trees seem to be the most of it. Steering seems to take a beating there. The "hill" is a joke to anyone with a locker though I wouldn't go bombing throught the puddle at the bottom. It's also pretty narrow in a lot of places.

[doug38s]

Lout is it a tech the day before type of thing or can I show up race day and get tech'd before they go?

[RatLabGuy]

^^ well jeez it looks like we may have a whole crowd there!

Luckily i'll be in the 4 cyl class, avoiding getting run over by the Bigelow team...

[CrawfishStu]

show up the morning of and get teched and draw a number.

Get there early to get a number higher up.

[Broncolou]

What Stu said. The low # is nice but the trails get clogged no matter where you are....

[doug38s]

So its good to be up there the day before. Just trying to see how much work I need to get out of:D

[ne14jpn]

We'll be there in the 6cyl class:D

[Broncolou]

We'll be there in the 6cyl class:D Why not run the twisted rig?

[ne14jpn]

Its very expensive to prep and maintain. Plus it will be fun to run the Jeep and see how it does against everyone else. I'm looking forward to racing to race!

(ps: if the twisted car ever lost to the breadtruck for any reason, I would have to sell it and quit rock sports entirely.):p

[Happy Bear]

I'm planning to race this now as well. I pretty much blew my series placement at the 1st RCROCS so I'm not as concerned about having the rig fully prepped for the 2nd RCROCS event. I'm really looking forward to it, should be great fun to bump tires with everybody in all the different classes on the track. We will all be a little out of our element probably so I'm just planning to have fun, push hard, and finish.

[RatLabGuy]

I'm planning to race this now as well. I pretty much blew my series placement at the 1st RCROCS so I'm not as concerned about having the rig fully prepped for the 2nd RCROCS event. I'm really looking forward to it, should be great fun to bump tires with everybody in all the different classes on the track. We will all be a little out of our element probably so I'm just planning to have fun, push hard, and finish.

If you still want to be my co-pilot instead, I can promise both being out of your element and pushing hard :brow:

I'm smelling a Creepers party tent. Hopefully we'll have matching shirts by then :popcorn::beer:

[CrawfishStu]

If you have the time, going up the night before isn't a bad idea. Remember that they want window nets on the front driver and passenger windows. If you have a rear seat in, they want window nets there as well.

[CrawfishStu]

I ran damn near last and by the time I was finishing they had asshats out there trying to recover their trucks blocking the easy lines.

Same thing happened when AJ and I ran it and started near the back.

[doug38s]

is racing two days or just one?

[Broncolou]

1 day race on sat and sun is obstacle course or dirt drags. The obstacle course looks fun but I never could stay for it.

[gr8whytyj]

Its very expensive to prep and maintain. Plus it will be fun to run the Jeep and see how it does against everyone else. I'm looking forward to racing to race!

(ps: if the twisted car ever lost to the breadtruck for any reason, I would have to sell it and quit rock sports entirely.):p

Our jeeps are pretty evenly matched and last time we raced the breadtruck came out ahead!

[Happy Bear]

Hopefully these will help me a little

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/dnik/IMG_0361.jpg

[domba]

Bout time, you gonna have them on by line mt.?

[Happy Bear]

Bout time, you gonna have them on by line mt.?
I'm not sure, are you guys going to be at WEROCK this weekend? Want to tow my rig back to Lii?

[domba]

We'll have the tracker, I don't think tim will be towing anything though

[doug38s]

are those the triple airs? or just regular bypasses. I take it airs since i dont see a resi.

[CrawfishStu]

Nice upgrade matt.

[Happy Bear]

We'll have the tracker, I don't think tim will be towing anything though
10-4, I will come up with a game plan and be in touch if I want to work something out like that.

are those the triple airs? or just regular bypasses. I take it airs since i dont see a resi.
Yes, 2.5 triple bypass air shocks, 14" travel, custom built and tuned for Jason Scherer by Fox before KOH 2009. He decided to go with coilovers/bypasses for obvious reasons but these should work pretty well for my application. I'm not planning to win KOH or any desert races in the near future and I really dig the external adjustability and simple packaging of the airshock. I was 90% satisfied with my 2.0 airshocks at the November race. The ride at slower speeds is almost unbearable though.

[doug38s]

good stuff. they look great.

[RatLabGuy]

Is ground clearance much of an issue at LM?
From the looks of soms of the rigs in the web pics, I wouldn't think so...?

My Budbuilt near-flat tranfer cross-member got a nice bend in it, causing my transmission to currently rub against the body. I'll have to re-bend it back, but a quick fix would be to replace with the original crossmember, which hangs a bit low.. and also means no tranny skid. Otherwise 33s and a few inches of lift...

[Broncolou]

There is one or two spots on the course you have any rocks to worry about. Nothing any worse than a blue trail.......You still have to pay attention.

[Numidian]

Do you have a doubler? My budbuilt is the stock height, not flat and it has definitely seen better days, but it'll keep everything protected. I'll make you a good deal on it :cheers:

[RatLabGuy]

Do you have a doubler? My budbuilt is the stock height, not flat and it has definitely seen better days, but it'll keep everything protected. I'll make you a good deal on it :cheers:

No doubler, and I have an auto tranny. IIRC the mounts are different. The skid def. is. Plus mine supposedly has a 1" "lift" built in to match my BL.
I'm also going to try slipping some lift blocks into the engine mounts and see if that straightens it out enough to clear.

[RatLabGuy]

How long/late does this go?
Like, is it reasonable to think I might be able to go out w/ my wife that evening (late dinner or even just hang out drinks etc)? It's my anniversary:cheers: and she just figuredi t out :doh:

[Broncolou]

They race till5-6 and awards are usually near dark. After the race they have a kids race with power wheels and minibikes on the start line area while the results are figured up.....
lou

[ne14jpn]

What time does the race start and when do the winners usually finish?

[Broncolou]

Starts between 10;30-1130. No time guess till they tell us the # of laps........ They have a quad race with less laps starting @ 9. You can guess times off that....

[ne14jpn]

Cool, thanks Lou. I'm really looking forward to this!

[otter]

What time does the race start and when do the winners usually finish?

you better bring your bumper car
:stir:

[Happy Bear]

So who all do we have racing

4 cylinder:
Dave Hairston

6 cylinder:
Jake Burk
Erik Miller
Balducci Brothers
Rob Ruggiero
chris macock
anthony russo

8 cylinder:
Lou Levy
Matt Happick
AJ Condon
Brian Whaley
Doug Bigelow
Tim Smoulk

[Broncolou]

I guess we can share pits since room is at a premium in the pit area......

[Happy Bear]

I guess we can share pits since room is at a premium in the pit area......
That sounds good, I was hoping some people would be interested in doing that I probably will only have an inexperienced pit crew of 1 or 2 with me. I'm pretty easy going if someone is doing really well and needs the pit support when I pull in I have no problem pitting myself.

Hmm, so there isn't going to be room in the pits for my 40' RV and 24' trailer? How far will the pits be from where I can park the beast?

[zucruisers]

So who all do we have racing

4 cylinder:
Dave Hairston

6 cylinder:
Jake Burk
Erik Miller
Balducci Brothers
Rob Ruggiero
chris macock
anthony russo?

8 cylinder:
Lou Levy
Matt Happick
AJ Condon
Brian Whaley
Doug Bigelow
tim smoluk

added a few;)

[RatLabGuy]

Holy crap, big crowd!

Unfortunately, it's looking very unlikely I'll be racing. Still no tow to get there, and (more importantly) i'm having trouble getting my t-cass crossmember changed out, which it critical (output shaft nuts are rubbing the shifter linkage whenever I have spring compressin), plus a shite-ton of other things that are unlikely to get done in time this week.

so, I'll likely just be coming up to hang out - and gladly work the pit(s) for whoever needs the hands.
Wil ldef. be doing the Coal Bucket in July though.

Hate to lose the 4-cyl class representation!

[Happy Bear]

added a few;)
Sweet, I knew those guys were running but didn't know their first and last names.

Lets represent the rock donkeys with some strong finishes!

[Broncolou]

Camping is anywhere from 200' to 200 yards away. If it is wet and muddy pulling the RV in will be fun. Bring a shovel to help level the RV... you will see what I mean.....

[RatLabGuy]

Camping is anywhere from 200' to 200 yards away. If it is wet and muddy pulling the RV in will be fun. Bring a shovel to help level the RV... you will see what I mean.....

Weather man is currently saying "Isolated t-storms" for Sat.
This should be fun...

[doug38s]

Otter...............I hope I start behind you.....:flipoff2:

[ne14jpn]

Otter...............I hope I start behind you.....:flipoff2:

You better hope you don't get beat by any Jeeps this weekend :flipoff2:

[gr8whytyj]

Lou,

How many laps do you guestimate they will run for the 3.5 miler?

[Happy Bear]

also total distance

Is something like 40-50 miles ballpark?

[Broncolou]

Last year it was around 35 miles 8 or 10 laps. I didn't have a GPS then. They dont tell # of laps till the event.....

[doug38s]

You better hope you don't get beat by any Jeeps this weekend :flipoff2:

I could care less if a jeep beats me. I want to drive over Otter for the smack talk he gave me the other day.

[otter]

i have heard through my sources that is will be 4 laps

doug you have to pick low or highs, i have always picks highs before thinking that most of the broken trucks are off the trail by the end , but thinking about going lows this time

[RatLabGuy]

OK so when is everybody getting there?
Looks like I'm crashing in Happy's RV, AKA the Pimpmobile.

Believe Happy and CJ are coming later Fri afternoon (?), I'll prob be in like 8:30 or so.

I'll bring an EZ-Up to use for hang-out etc

[CrawfishStu]

I could care less if a jeep beats me. I want to drive over Otter for the smack talk he gave me the other day.

Two races where his wheels don't fall off and he gets all cockey. :flipoff2:

I've never had a low number but both races we had very high number and traffic wasn't a huge problem until the very end when people were out there doing recovery that should not have been. That caused considerable promblems. With original donk, AJ made a new path or drove over what was in the way. With the zook, I had to wait and yell.

[Happy Bear]

So it's not a random draw you actually say I want X starting position if it is available?

[Happy Bear]

i have heard through my sources that is will be 4 laps
are the laps 3.5 miles? I've never been I thought this race was typically ~40 miles

[Broncolou]

You pick a number out of 1 of 2 coffee cans when you tech in....
I hope to be there around 1-2 PM.

[Happy Bear]

Thanks Lou, I'm hoping to make it up there by 5.

I'm PUMPED for this event seems like it's gonna be a lot of fun!

[CrawfishStu]

Did you get your new shocks on?

[RatLabGuy]

Did you get your new shocks on?

Happick is at AOI buttoning up everything on the buggy.
And the answer is - yep...

and he's crawling out of his skin waiting to test them

[ShadyTJ]

Good luck guys!!! Have fun be safe:cheers:

Bruce

[CrawfishStu]

I decided not to sleep before we drive up. I'd rather have a minute to gather my thought than sleep an hour and just be tired. I'm stoked. The truck has really come together.

[RatLabGuy]

Well,I'm here- but no clue where anybody else is ;-) Got here about 10:45 PM. Place is a zoo.

Aparently Happy and CJ put i na lot of last-minute wrenching at AOI, testing revealed some clearance and cooling problems, they had to fix it 0- got off to a really late start... then the Pimpmobile really had fun at the big hill and hairpins on 225, he had to pull off and chill out.
I figure they'll get here about 1:45 am or so...

[RatLabGuy]

Well, Happick and CJ broke a wheel about 200 yards from the end of the 1st lap.

See attached - aparently the back half of the rim somehow seperated from the main rim, wheel basically split in half. Never seen that before.

No big deal - except aparently dumabasses hadn't bothered to take a spare with them (even though every other vehicle had at least 1 and often 2 carried) :doh:, and nobody was allowed to go "in" to help until it was all over at 5. so they sat for awhile, then just walked out.

[Happy Bear]

Thanks to Appalachian Offroad for fabbing new shock hoops on the buggy as well as the rad mount and helping me with other prep for the race.

Everything was working awesome and the new shocks seemed really good. We were holding a good pace, and made several passes on our first lap. A faster truck had come up behind me so I pulled over to let him by. As I re-entered the course another racer came flying around a turn and clipped my front end really bad. Everything appeared OK but 100 yards later the 2nd rock I ran the tire into the wheel gave out.
I don't have a spare tire mount and driving out on a flat has never failed me the course was only 3.5 miles and I am pretty careful to not pop tires. I just wanted to use this as some testing for my new shocks and radiator which worked awesome. I still have a lot to improve on the buggy for racing but it's really hard to stay on top of all the maintenance/prep and do everything. I'll probably be adding a spare tire mount for the RCROCS races.
Thanks to CJ for a hard days work at AOI, an awesome fan wiring job, and being a great co-driver for the weekend. Thanks to Dave for coming out, hanging, and manning the phone at the pits.

Oh yea, and we went the worst way possible in the dark, it sucked big time. The mountain we went over was 1000' of elevation change that was very rapid with hair pin turns. The brakes were fading and smoking at the bottom. Something needs to happen with the transmission to make it lock up so the exhaust brake assits stopping, it just coasts in any gear right now. Really though I just don't ever plan to drive the setup on a grade that steep. The Balduccis gave us a little longer route back that was a cake walk compared to the way we came.

Congrats to Erik Miller for taking 1st place overall for the event!(132 entries) Beat them by 7 seconds on their 40-year home turf his first time there!

[RatLabGuy]

The Balduccis gave us a little longer route back that was a cake walk compared to the way we came.


Wast hat down 147 teh whole way? I was looking att hat on teh map for the way home... but I decided to stick w/ 225 since I was in my Mazda and it was a nice clear day, it's a "fun" drive that way.

Oh and you know I'm just raggin' ya on the spare. Bigelow didn't bother w/ one either

[atjeep]

That is a shame about your wheel.
The upside is you got a shakedown run with the new shocks, it sounds like they are working for you.

How did Lou do?

[Happy Bear]

Lou got 5th in the LWB class I believe

[gr8whytyj]

I got 7th in 6 cyl class. It was such a brutal race. Our fastest lap was the first one. I realized how out of shape I am. Today I feel like I went for a ride in a washing machine for 2 hours! Everyone there was super cool and friendly. They all seemed to like the rock crawlers. I can't wait for the coal bucket. Thanks Lou for talking me into racing this series.

-Jake

[Happy Bear]

I got 7th in 6 cyl class. It was such a brutal race. Our fastest lap was the first one. I realized how out of shape I am. Today I feel like I went for a ride in a washing machine for 2 hours! Everyone there was super cool and friendly. They all seemed to like the rock crawlers. I can't wait for the coal bucket. Thanks Lou for talking me into racing this series.

-Jake
Nice job dude. Doesn't it feel awesome to finish a race like that! I can't wait for the coal bucket already. Suspension tuning session at the garage?

[gr8whytyj]

Nice job dude. Doesn't it feel awesome to finish a race like that! I can't wait for the coal bucket already. Suspension tuning session at the garage?

Thanks, I have been doing doughnuts in the side field!

[Jeepbeater]

Yes, 2.5 triple bypass air shocks, 14" travel, custom built and tuned for Jason Scherer by Fox before KOH 2009. He decided to go with coilovers/bypasses for obvious reasons but these should work pretty well for my application. I'm not planning to win KOH or any desert races in the near future and I really dig the external adjustability and simple packaging of the airshock. I was 90% satisfied with my 2.0 airshocks at the November race. The ride at slower speeds is almost unbearable though.

I saw those sold quick. Was looking at them hard and then then were gone. Really interested in how they work out for you.

[Happy Bear]

I saw those sold quick. Was looking at them hard and then then were gone. Really interested in how they work out for you.
I'm kind of perplexed after the race. I juiced them up at the shop and they seemed a little tall after a short ride around but I knew they would settle. Supposedly they were straight off Jason's truck after a week of tuning so I was suspecting the oil levels, valving, and bypass adjustments would be pretty close. When I backed out of the trailer the fronts were 100% compressed by the winch and they all seemed very soft I instantly thought it was going to be a serious problem during the race with them bottoming if they were this soft. So we cranked the upper compression tubes on the rear shocks in a ways. The fronts had the compression tubes cranked pretty tight already.

I was still nervous and thought I needed more oil but we decided to hit the course and see how it handled and just change our pace for what the suspension could handle. I took off at a normal race pace and the shocks seemed to be taking the hits great, I pushed as hard as I could drive and the shocks never bottomed, in fact they had at least an inch of travel that wasn't touched. It seemed to have a lot of rebound but I'm still a total newb at suspension adjustments and I can probably get a much better handle on it when I'm not trying to race 50 other dudes at the same time :)

Here's another perspective of the broken wheel
http://www.marylandcreepers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=617&stc=1&d=1276521239

[CrawfishStu]

Man....what a long day.

Good to see everyone out there. Everything was working great come race time but on the first lap we lost the brakes. We had to drive the truck using the tranny to slow us down. That made us drive with caution and put a hurting on our times. We still put down very low times on the first three laps. About halfway through lap 4 we lost electrical power. After an hour under the dash pulling wires and running power to the computer, ignition, fuel pump, etc we had the truck running again. About a half mile from the finish. The truck stalled and wouldn't start. We sat there playing with that for far too long. The post for the solenoid broke off the starter and it was so caked in mud you couldn't see it. We were jumping the posts and the starter would turn but the solenoid woun't engage. Finally got it running again and off we went. Our final lap just killed us. 13th place.

[Happy Bear]

Man....what a long day.

Good to see everyone out there. Everything was working great come race time but on the first lap we lost the brakes. We had to drive the truck using the tranny to slow us down. That made us drive with caution and put a hurting on our times. We still put down very low times on the first three laps. About halfway through lap 4 we lost electrical power. After an hour under the dash pulling wires and running power to the computer, ignition, fuel pump, etc we had the truck running again. About a half mile from the finish. The truck stalled and wouldn't start. We sat there playing with that for far too long. The post for the solenoid broke off the starter and it was so caked in mud you couldn't see it. We were jumping the posts and the starter would turn but the solenoid woun't engage. Finally got it running again and off we went. Our final lap just killed us. 13th place.
What was your guys 1,2,3 lap times? Also, what took the brakes out?

[CrawfishStu]

We don't know what took out the brakes. We ran over a tree going around someone very early on and AJ started complaining about no brakes after that.

22 ,21 ,20....then a whooping 2:14

[Broncolou]

Those are great times... i was wondering how the laps went for how wide the new donk still is...

[Happy Bear]

We don't know what took out the brakes. We ran over a tree going around someone very early on and AJ started complaining about no brakes after that.

22 ,21 ,20....then a whooping 2:14
I swear if we work hard enough our trucks are going to start staying together. I am really close I nailed it at the last 2 races and placed decent even with 1 or 2 high lap times from mechanical issues. I have every bug I've ever had worked out of it and am very in tune with the condition of every part/bolt. Also have made lots of minor improvements for added reliability. Hopefully at the next one something sucky like a wheel breaking won't happen.

[CrawfishStu]

We get a little closer every time to having a good run. We are happy to have finished but would like to have a race where we just drive the truck and not have mechanical issues be.a factor.

The truck now sits at 87 from tire edge to tire edge. There were only one or two spots on the normal trail where we had to bump through. When we had to bypass, we had trouble.

[ne14jpn]

Thanks Matt. It was my first time there and I was impressed with the racing. The course was very tight and technical with no room for error. The conditions were very similar to Rausch minus the big stuff. It was awesome having so many rock guys out there. Looking forward to the next one!

[gr8whytyj]

I'm hooked on the Line Mt series. I like everything about it, minus the camping on a hill part:dan1: I will be building something else to be competitive for these races. It's tough and there are a ton of factors that can affect the outcome every time. I want a police siren, I think that you need to be legit to have one though, badass.

[SB406]

I pushed as hard as I could drive and the shocks never bottomed, in fact they had at least an inch of travel that wasn't touched.

I'm not sure if this relates or will help you, but my buddy Ryan runs the 2.5" King Air Shocks. He has told me that the bottom 1" of shaft never goes into the shock body because of an internal bumpstop. Not sure if yours are the same. Just food for thought.

[otter]

I'm hooked on the Line Mt series. I like everything about it, minus the camping on a hill part:dan1: I will be building something else to be competitive for these races. It's tough and there are a ton of factors that can affect the outcome every time. I want a police siren, I think that you need to be legit to have one though, badass.

if you get a siren i will put you into a tree:dan1:

[Happy Bear]

if you get a siren i will put you into a tree:dan1:
How did you end up doing?

[gr8whytyj]

Somebody with a siren put him into a tree.

[Happy Bear]

Somebody with a siren put him into a tree.
LMAO I honestly had no idea!

[Broncolou]

Otter put himself into a tree/rock....something stronger than the high steer arm. I can attest to the hatred he has for sirens. It runs deep and has for a long time!

[CrawfishStu]

Our ARB horn had no issues being heard. We had to get physical with one guy's yota. He was not happy about that at all.

[ne14jpn]

Our YJ horn is weak and doesn't like to get wet. Nothing a little bump can't fix thought!

[doug38s]

I dont like my hella horns at all. I think they sound gay. I want a siren. And a bigger bumper. I was too nice and didnt hit anyone. Actually I havent hit anyone racing yet.

[domba]

our $8 walmart emergency horn worked like a champ, we only had to bump one guy who couldn't hear us due to really loud exhaust

[Numidian]

I hate all of you guys... You're all making me want to race LOL

[RatLabGuy]

I hate all of you guys... You're all making me want to race LOL

You have a rig now - just do it.

I'm shooting for the Coal Bucket in July.

[Numidian]

You have a rig now - just do it.

I'm shooting for the Coal Bucket in July. nope... not gonna do it. If I race I at least want a chance at being competitive. That just won't happen with this rig... I already made the $1000 mistake of taking the UnRunner and competing in class 3 at rcrocs

[RatLabGuy]

nope... not gonna do it. If I race I at least want a chance at being competitive. That just won't happen with this rig... I already made the $1000 mistake of taking the UnRunner and competing in class 3 at rcrocs

Maybe I'm missing something - but after seeing the vehicle running there, I don't se why you wouldn't have a chance at being competitive there. All you seem to need is decent suspension (most of them are leaf sprung truggies like yours), the rest seems to be driving skill.
B/c of the classes it's not like you'd be up against the buggies here, just the other scrubs like... me.

[Numidian]

Maybe I'm missing something - but after seeing the vehicle running there, I don't se why you wouldn't have a chance at being competitive there. All you seem to need is decent suspension (most of them are leaf sprung truggies like yours), the rest seems to be driving skill.
B/c of the classes it's not like you'd be up against the buggies here, just the other scrubs like... me.

I'll just tow you to an event and race vicariously through/with you... :flipoff2:

[domba]

You might do pretty well, big tires let you roll through the rough stuff a lot quicker than most of the vehicles there, don't know til you try.

[Numidian]

Honestly if I still had the UnRunner, I'd definitely go for it, but as it is, I don't want to tear up the new rig just yet.